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#576 13/07/2020 17h19

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Southey Capital fait même de publicité sur google pour racheter des obligations SNS :

SNS Bank + SNS REAAL + De VolksBank


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#577 25/09/2020 16h54

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qui a du nouveau pour SNS (tribunal le 24 septembre)

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[+1]    #578 25/09/2020 17h38

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C’est encore reparti pour 3 mois et en cas de succès, les avocats du ministère des finances vont aller à la cour suprême, bref c’est parti pour durer encore quelques années au moins.

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Obbligazioni perpetue e subordinate - SNS Reeal in diretta: storia di un esproprio - Notizie, informazioni e commenti | Page 754 | Forum di Investireoggi

The expropriated process of SNS lenders stumbles to the end:

within three months or less, the Chamber of Enterprises believes it can finally give SNS Reaal’s expropriated lenders clarity on the amount of compensation they will receive. With that promise from President Gijs Makkink, a session of almost seven hours ended on Thursday.

The state and many of the victims have for years been engaged in a fierce legal battle over the amount of money to which the former shareholders of the bank-insurer and other creditors are entitled. It’s been seven years since the state nationalized the ailing financial institution and left creditors empty-handed.

Unnecessary delays

For a moment on Thursday it seemed that the legal battle would last months again.
Several lawyers for deceived investors accused the finance minister of unnecessarily delaying the judicial process. Shortly before the hearing, his lawyers put forward new arguments as to why subordinate bondholders are not entitled to compensation.


Too late, was the unanimous conclusion of the lawyers of the various creditors. "The minister is now pulling another rabbit out of his hat in a last ditch effort to take the compensation set by the experts off the table," said Gerjanne t.e Winkel, a lawyer for a group of victims. "It is not in harmony with the minister’s public office to squeeze every corner to avoid payment."

The minister’s attorneys argued Thursday that there was no money left for subordinate bondholders, as competing creditors would first have to receive lost interest in the event of bankruptcy. When they were paid, there was nothing left for the bondholders.

The judge will decide only after the hearing whether this point can still be raised and whether the victims’ lawyers will then have time to respond in writing. But that doesn’t seem to lead to a delay of months.

Expert report
During the Amsterdam court session for corporate disputes, misled investors and the state discussed a report Thursday that demonstrates how much SNS Reaal stocks would be valued in the theoretical situation that the bank-insurer had gone bankrupt.
In February 2016, the Enterprise Chamber appointed three experts, including heavyweight Louis Deterink, to determine this amount. In April 2018, they concluded that SNS would have generated € 814 million if the bank-insurer went bankrupt and the directors could just do their job. This would mean that expropriated bondholders could recover up to 75% of the value of their bonds.

As the state arrived at a fraction of this amount, the Chamber of Enterprises gave the tasks to the experts at the end of 2018. They had to better demonstrate how they had reached over € 800 million. A year later there was the newly motivated relationship. Experts also come up with a slightly higher amount in this.

On Thursday, state lawyers immediately deposited that amount in the trash. They believe that experts have worked with overly optimistic scenarios. As a result, they were counting on too high income from the liquidation of the mortgage portfolio and the troubled real estate leg.

If the Chamber of the Enterprise makes a decision within three months, the legal battle will not end immediately. If the court agrees with the experts’ arguments, it is quite conceivable that the state will appeal to the Supreme Court. This procedure can take years.


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#579 27/09/2020 14h57

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Guérilla juridique toujours en cours, l’issue semble incertaine mais surtout la procédure pourrait encore durer des années.

State ’Guerrilla Litigation’ in SNS Indemnification Proceedings

VEB - ?Guerrilla-procesvoering? van de Staat in SNS-schadeloosstellingsprocedure


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#580 21/10/2020 12h03

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ça sert à quelque chose de maintenir l’abonnement VEB?

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